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Combat Units and Comparative Ratings (by Kayi)



Lucky Shot

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Monday, May 5th 2008, 6:24pm

This is an outstanding guide by one of the smartest generals in Alpha world. Kayi considers building cost and time which is important if your under time or resource pressures. For me, building time isn't as important and I consider Lumber and Sulfur to be a sunk cost and not as important as upkeep. So I looked at basic effectiveness versus upkeep and you can see the results here.

http://www.focusedgaming.com/ikariam/145…ts-ikariam.html

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Pulling info from the Ikariam Wiki we can start to figure out what soldiers provide the best bang for the buck. Note, this does not include any workshop upgrades.



When attacking Swordsmen and Bombadiers both receive a 30% Attack bonus. With resistance, both Steam Giants and Phalanx receive a 30% bonus to their Defensive Stats when in their home cities.

Best Offensive units go to: Steam Giant straight up for damage followed by Gunsman second. Swordsman gets bumped up to 1.46 when it's on offense and would become equal to the Steam Giant.

Best Defensive unit: Steam Giant in all situations as it shares the resistance bonus on defense with Phalanx which is in second.

Best Overall unit: If you were to have just a 1 type of unit army, then the Steam Giant is the ultimate fighter with a big batch of guys competing for second.


Understand, that Workshop upgrades are not working and were not considered for this analysis. Hopefully this is an acceptable tag on post.

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mlview

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Thursday, May 22nd 2008, 9:29pm

Truly excellent.
Has anyone info about the ships also? Thx.
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Anatole

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Saturday, May 24th 2008, 12:17am

What's the optimum ratio of cooks and doctors to combat units? I've been using one cook and one doctor per twenty units, but that's just a guess.
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MoreBeer

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Saturday, May 24th 2008, 1:56am

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Originally posted by Anatole
What's the optimum ratio of cooks and doctors to combat units? I've been using one cook and one doctor per twenty units, but that's just a guess.

No one knows. This is a hot question on .org, which has been around a lot longer than .com.
IMO, a good number is enough to affect the battle (hopefully) while not being a large enough fraction of your force that they're likely to die too early to be anything but a waste. I rarely send cooks/doctors out to pillage with. They only tend to go out when I'm sending a hundred phalanxes or so backed by my heavies. And then, yes, I send 4 or 5 of them. I've lost only one so far, in a total of 3 mass (200+ unit) battles.
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Rise

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Saturday, May 24th 2008, 2:00am

i wonder if sending them in to re-enforce after the first round would increase their survival chances.
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Kayi

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Saturday, May 24th 2008, 2:43am

Further questions that're being asked since it's all popping up in the thread...


Doctors and Cooks:
Start at around 20:1 or 30:1 ratio and adjust accordingly. More raw unit power is going to make them more effective, but also it decreases the odds of them being hit.

The big reason I suggest starting higher is because you need to learn that your doctors and cooks WILL die in combat. Then adjust to your own personal preference to keep as many alive as long as possible.

At 20:1 there's a 5% chance per enemy that they get hit. At 30:1 it drops to around 3%. At 40:1 that drops to 2.5%.

This is still per enemy unit, but if combat is scaled back hard enough, it should save you some deaths. Keep trying until you find the right balance for you.

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Btw, Rise. Though that sounds like a clever idea, it isn't so much in practice.

Doctors must be available in the round units die in (and first round usually has many losses), while cooks must be around each round they recover stamina. Which means they're best from the start so your stamina doesn't drop so fast, if they're sent in during a later round, your stamina is already suffering and their effects will be to patch together an already damaged army, instead of trying to maintain a high power army.

You're better having fewer cooks and keeping them alive from the start. Which also saves you the action points of shipping docs/cooks.

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P.S. I know my ship guide isn't quite so amazing as my ground troops guide, and the FAQs sections are getting a bit long, but I hope everyone benefits from these guides anyhow.

Best of luck to you all.
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Kindiani

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Saturday, May 24th 2008, 7:23am

Excellent guides, Kayi. This is exactly what I've been looking for. Thanks
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Leonhart

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Thursday, May 29th 2008, 2:52am

These guides are amazing, especially the ground troops guide. However, are you supposed to get mortar before paddlewheel? Because I got paddle wheel first.
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Acertorix

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Thursday, May 29th 2008, 8:23pm

this is definantly a good guild. it helps so much for me in planning what troops i would choose later on.
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King-Leonidas

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Monday, June 2nd 2008, 4:25am

RE: Combat Units and Comparative Ratings (by Kayi)

So... Should I waste my resources on phalanxes or steam giants?
Just tell me which should I choose.
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zullu

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Monday, June 2nd 2008, 5:27am

Going to lock this thread since people can not respect the request to not clutter up this post with questions and such.

If Kayi wishes it to be reopened I shall.
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