Ikariam US

Governor

Date of registration: Aug 26th 2008

Gender: male

Location: Canada

Alliance: -ViP- {Delta} -ViP- {Iota}

Monday, May 25th 2009, 10:35pm

Well the 1v1 rule seems to differ depending on who you ask or what alliance you are part of, but it obviously has a general form. Also depending on the situation. I have found it normally follows these lines...

Were going to use a regular pillage as our scenario 1,

Player X finds Player Y has a low military score. Player X sends spies into Player Y's towns and finds some resources pilled up. As any pillage friendly person would do Player X decides to relieve Player Y of the duty of holding on to these resources. So Player X heads off to pillage player Y.

NOW... Player Y the soon to be pillaged is online. Seeing his/her resources about to be whisked away decides he/she is going to have some friends over waiting for Player X. This seems to be OK and most alliances never have objections to sending some aid to defend their members town when they can get there on time. Player X runs into a heavily armed town gets slaughtered end of story.

This is generally accepted and commended. The alliance did it's job and acted as a guardian toward their member.

Scenario 2:

Same scenario as above but the pillage lands BEFORE help could arrive. Player X removes Player Y of their goods. Player Y is now angry at Player X and wishes to retaliate. Here is where things become opinionated and seem to differ between alliances. BUT my general understanding is that Player Y may now attack Player X in retaliation. ALONE. But player Y must remember that Player X's friends might be over for dinner too.

It is when attacking that the person should act alone.

NOTE:

It a whole other ball game when pillaging wasn't a factor and several attacks are being launched. In my experience in this case 1V1 rules seem to be thrown out the window and all hell breaks loose.

If anyone with a greater understanding or more experience wished to correct me on this matter feel free too. Also if theres anything to add the OP would probably appreciate it.

Jihad_Crusader

Mayor

Date of registration: Mar 18th 2008

Posts: 179

Gender: male

Friday, May 29th 2009, 4:27am

Quoted from "bathemal"

Well the 1v1 rule seems to differ depending on who you ask or what alliance you are part of, but it obviously has a general form. Also depending on the situation. I have found it normally follows these lines...

Were going to use a regular pillage as our scenario 1,

Player X finds Player Y has a low military score. Player X sends spies into Player Y's towns and finds some resources pilled up. As any pillage friendly person would do Player X decides to relieve Player Y of the duty of holding on to these resources. So Player X heads off to pillage player Y.

NOW... Player Y the soon to be pillaged is online. Seeing his/her resources about to be whisked away decides he/she is going to have some friends over waiting for Player X. This seems to be OK and most alliances never have objections to sending some aid to defend their members town when they can get there on time. Player X runs into a heavily armed town gets slaughtered end of story.

This is generally accepted and commended. The alliance did it's job and acted as a guardian toward their member.

Scenario 2:

Same scenario as above but the pillage lands BEFORE help could arrive. Player X removes Player Y of their goods. Player Y is now angry at Player X and wishes to retaliate. Here is where things become opinionated and seem to differ between alliances. BUT my general understanding is that Player Y may now attack Player X in retaliation. ALONE. But player Y must remember that Player X's friends might be over for dinner too.

It is when attacking that the person should act alone.

NOTE:

It a whole other ball game when pillaging wasn't a factor and several attacks are being launched. In my experience in this case 1V1 rules seem to be thrown out the window and all hell breaks loose.

If anyone with a greater understanding or more experience wished to correct me on this matter feel free too. Also if theres anything to add the OP would probably appreciate it.

This is a good description of what I believe should be a server-wide piracy policy. All this "you attack one of us and all of us attack you" BS has got to stop.

Governor

Date of registration: Aug 26th 2008

Gender: male

Location: Canada

Alliance: -ViP- {Delta} -ViP- {Iota}

Friday, May 29th 2009, 10:38pm

Well yes if a player understands how to make them selves non-pillage friendly there should be no need to call in backup. Harassment is another issue entirely though.

carebear

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Date of registration: Jul 16th 2008

Posts: 570

Gender: female

Location: NW wisconsin.I like cows :)

Occupation: Annyoing people,showing cows,Hugging llamas

Alliance: Im a VIPer

Saturday, May 30th 2009, 6:52pm

I recently borrowed colby to do a blockade for me,and then attacked the dude myself.Sure it was 2 of us.But if i was like this: :rocketlauncher: and knew how to do a blockade decently without hurting myself in the process.Then i wouldnt need it.Honestly i think this whole 1v1 thing is kinda dumb.It should be just based on militarys.No one cares if 7 little newbies come and attack you.But bring on those like...200k players and its all like..Oh noes!

You know,the world would be a heck lot better if everyone would forget there age and acted like there shoe size.

thanks for the sig switch,you fannypacker

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Carebears win in the end. Welcome to simcity

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Crazy4Sand

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Date of registration: Apr 27th 2008

Posts: 434

Location: loli land

Saturday, May 30th 2009, 7:57pm

Quoted from "Jihad_Crusader"

This is a good description of what I believe should be a server-wide piracy policy. All this "you attack one of us and all of us attack you" BS has got to stop.

Well, it is all good until someone 10 times ur score come farming u and claiming 1v1. He could easily have 5 other guys feeding him gold just to make it 'fair', but at the end it is the "u attack one of us, all of us attack u" BS that save most of u(s) from getting farmed.

The game made alliance and the defense button for a reason.

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The Cake IS a Lie.

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Famous Leader

Date of registration: May 4th 2008

Saturday, May 30th 2009, 8:44pm

Quoted

This is a good description of what I believe should be a server-wide piracy policy. All this "you attack one of us and all of us attack you" BS has got to stop.

Too bad, you attack anyone, you pay for what you do.

Jihad_Crusader

Mayor

Date of registration: Mar 18th 2008

Posts: 179

Gender: male

Sunday, May 31st 2009, 7:26am

Quoted from "bathemal"

Well yes if a player understands how to make them selves non-pillage friendly there should be no need to call in backup. Harassment is another issue entirely though.

Exactly right

Quoted from "Crazy4Sand"

Quoted from "Jihad_Crusader"

This is a good description of what I believe should be a server-wide piracy policy. All this "you attack one of us and all of us attack you" BS has got to stop.

Well, it is all good until someone 10 times ur score come farming u and claiming 1v1. He could easily have 5 other guys feeding him gold just to make it 'fair', but at the end it is the "u attack one of us, all of us attack u" BS that save most of u(s) from getting farmed.

The game made alliance and the defense button for a reason.

As mentioned before that falls under harassment/bullying and as such should not be governed by the rules of an alliances piracy policy.

As for the bit about the alliance and defense button being there for a reason I think you are misunderstanding or else not completely reading my posts, as I have not said anything negative about using the "defend" button to aide an ally, but merely that it is not very sporting to have a policy which says anything along the lines of "we will all attack you if you attack one of us."

Quoted from "Orbmaster"

Quoted

This is a good description of what I believe should be a server-wide piracy policy. All this "you attack one of us and all of us attack you" BS has got to stop.

Too bad, you attack anyone, you pay for what you do.

I'm sorry what was the purpose of this statement? Surely not to support said lame piracy policy?

It is not a very strong argument to support the case, and was not successful in helping me see things from a different perspective at all....

As apposed to the "you attack anyone, you pay for what you do." slogan I would like to introduce one of my own, though slightly more lengthy :

"You want to hide behind an alliance tag instead of properly defending your goods, you get what you deserve."

Famous Leader

Date of registration: May 4th 2008

Sunday, May 31st 2009, 8:20pm

Quoted from "Jihad_Crusader"

Quoted from "Orbmaster"

Quoted

This is a good description of what I believe should be a server-wide piracy policy. All this "you attack one of us and all of us attack you" BS has got to stop.

Too bad, you attack anyone, you pay for what you do.

I'm sorry what was the purpose of this statement? Surely not to support said lame piracy policy?

It is not a very strong argument to support the case, and was not successful in helping me see things from a different perspective at all....

As apposed to the "you attack anyone, you pay for what you do." slogan I would like to introduce one of my own, though slightly more lengthy :

"You want to hide behind an alliance tag instead of properly defending your goods, you get what you deserve."

I'd like to see you attack an active of my alliance and see what the result is, go look in the alpha hall of fame for what natspell posted. :14:

Thing is I don't really care about convincing you since you have absolutely no say in our retaliation policy what so ever, so I don't need to argue with you, haha.

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Jihad_Crusader

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Date of registration: Mar 18th 2008

Posts: 179

Gender: male

Sunday, May 31st 2009, 10:24pm

I saw it, but again seem to be missing you point.

What I saw was three people attacking one person using a total amount of troops similar to what I keep in each of my 8 towns.

So the if the question is "what would happen to me if I attacked someone in your alliance" then I think the answer would be something along the lines of:

"A whole bunch of your lackey's would probably come after me, and may or may not win....and would definitely waste resources while ganging none. Afterward the shaky peace treaty between our alliance would probably be retracted and could eventually lead to a possible war between the stir-crazy, action craving members of C4A and your own."

Going out on a limb here but that's my guess....

Famous Leader

Date of registration: May 4th 2008

Monday, June 1st 2009, 12:21am

Quoted from "Jihad_Crusader"

I saw it, but again seem to be missing you point.

What I saw was three people attacking one person using a total amount of troops similar to what I keep in each of my 8 towns.

So the if the question is "what would happen to me if I attacked someone in your alliance" then I think the answer would be something along the lines of:

"A whole bunch of your lackey's would probably come after me, and may or may not win....and would definitely waste resources while ganging none. Afterward the shaky peace treaty between our alliance would probably be retracted and could eventually lead to a possible war between the stir-crazy, action craving members of C4A and your own."

Going out on a limb here but that's my guess....

lol, I didn't notice you were in C4A, but we can't use all our troops in one attack can we?

Also if what you say is true you have at least a military score of 54,584 :6:

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Governor

Date of registration: Aug 26th 2008

Gender: male

Location: Canada

Alliance: -ViP- {Delta} -ViP- {Iota}

Monday, June 1st 2009, 3:47am

To get back on topic, the 1v1 rule SHOULD be respected between fairly even players. NOT military wise but TS. Also it is my belief that any player above 250k should be able to compete with almost any other player in their server. I know i only only have over 300k on Delta but i can raise a military big enough to place me in the top 100 generals, if i go into war time economy. That makes me more than a match for many players with 4X my totals score.

If i can personally do this that goes to say most others can too. If i person with 1mil points tried to pillage me i would assume it 1v1 until the opposer did otherwise. But i think if a 40k player gets repeatedly pillaged by a 600k player this should be classified under harrassment as the 40k player does not have the economy to sustain and powerful offensive militar.

Bedeage

Mayor

Date of registration: Mar 7th 2008

Posts: 226

Gender: male

Location: England

Monday, June 1st 2009, 6:17pm

There is no reason of itself why anyone should ever apply the 1vs1 rule. If using 20 of you vs 1 would start a war that you don't want, then obviously don't do it. In any other case this fetish for a straight fight seems bizarre to me. 3 armies combined would probably crush the defense faster than 1vs1, fairness doesn't come into it. Just expect it to happen to you as well ^_^

Governor

Date of registration: Aug 26th 2008

Gender: male

Location: Canada

Alliance: -ViP- {Delta} -ViP- {Iota}

Monday, June 1st 2009, 11:42pm

@Bed Well i disagree Ikariam though a game of war is also a game of politics. And no one can disagree with this as alliances automatically make it so politics is present. Therefore many channels of these politics are used to create peace between "nations" (alliances) and therefore in many cases a certain amount of pillaging etiquette is required. Some groups choose to throw politics and etiquette out the window which is fine. You can play the game as you want but these certain groups relinquish any claim they have to the 1v1 rule.

The 1v1 rule is present to protect the small and to increase the playing span of alot of players. Who wants to play when a group of players beats them to a standstill so they can never grow?

Smiling Bob of Enzyte:)

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Tuesday, June 2nd 2009, 3:27am

Quoted from "bathemal"

To get back on topic, the 1v1 rule SHOULD be respected between fairly even players. NOT military wise but TS. Also it is my belief that any player above 250k should be able to compete with almost any other player in their server. I know i only only have over 300k on Delta but i can raise a military big enough to place me in the top 100 generals, if i go into war time economy. That makes me more than a match for many players with 4X my totals score.

If i can personally do this that goes to say most others can too. If i person with 1mil points tried to pillage me i would assume it 1v1 until the opposer did otherwise. But i think if a 40k player gets repeatedly pillaged by a 600k player this should be classified under harrassment as the 40k player does not have the economy to sustain and powerful offensive militar.

Bob disagrees with the TS as he thinks its all about the MS.
Bob has been farming players with up to 10x his TS back in the beginning because his MS is 2x the other player.

Governor

Date of registration: Aug 26th 2008

Gender: male

Location: Canada

Alliance: -ViP- {Delta} -ViP- {Iota}

Tuesday, June 2nd 2009, 3:33am

@ bob

But GENERALLY the TS represents the CAPABILITY to raise a MS. It varies greatly with every player but if you were to graph it it would get progressivly higher.

Smiling Bob of Enzyte:)

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Tuesday, June 2nd 2009, 6:02am

Bob

had no issues with retaliation strikes and held his ground.
Bob

has a Diplomat who had issues from the complaining bigger players.

Famous Leader

Date of registration: May 4th 2008

Thursday, June 4th 2009, 1:14am

Quoted from "bathemal"

The 1v1 rule is present to protect the small and to increase the playing span of alot of players. Who wants to play when a group of players beats them to a standstill so they can never grow?

Incorrect, the 1v1 rule is created so big players don't get beat up by smaller ones.

Governor

Date of registration: Aug 26th 2008