[Game] Coastal Defense
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Friday, May 30th 2008, 2:05pm
Cash has a point. Naval units have higher stats and lower upkeep compared to land units. More citizens required though.
Defenders already have a pretty significant advantage for sea battles. That being it takes soooooo looooooong to send an attack fleet. More defensive advantage seems unnecessary to gameplay. Yes it'd add to the game. But it would probably add it in an unbalancing way.
Defenders already have a pretty significant advantage for sea battles. That being it takes soooooo looooooong to send an attack fleet. More defensive advantage seems unnecessary to gameplay. Yes it'd add to the game. But it would probably add it in an unbalancing way.
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This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "MoreBeer" (May 30th 2008, 2:06pm)
Saturday, May 31st 2008, 3:31am
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Originally posted by naturehermit
Even in modern or ancient wars it always took time for navies to travel then land armies. USS Entreprise travel with a speed to of 30 Knots ie. 56 km/hr, however land armies travel well over 70/80 miles per hour or 130 km/hr
In ancient times ships travelled much faster than any land force.
However defending naval units do not get any bonus(at the moment), just like walls give bonuses to defending armies.
2 RAM vs 3 RAM, offender wins without any coastal defense
2 slinger vs 3 slingers offender looses with wall defenses...
Actually, 2 RAM on offense vs 3 RAM on defense, defender wins.
And 2 ballista on offense vs 2 ballista on defense, defender also wins.
Your example, even if it was true, is meaningless. Your example would suggest that attacking ships with the Assault special are stronger than that same ship defending , and yes that's perfectly true. It's a lot like saying cars go faster downhill than they do uphill... and proves nothing.
My thought remains. The defender already has a significant advantage when fighting a naval battle. A wall would only add to the defender's already-significant advantage, shifting the balance of the naval game far too heavily towards defense.
Besides, in a town battle there are spies and ram units to overcome a wall. What balance do you offer in this suggestion for sea battles?
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Saturday, May 31st 2008, 3:36am
Thanks again, here is my explanation again please...
No I am suggesting some kind of bonus or a building that affects that bonus.
The point is as mentioned above, providing bonus value to naval units defending home towns.
I dont know about you, but I attack cities, and yes I blockade port(not attack port or coasts) to avoid re-inforcement or divert resources...
No I am not suggesting an attack from coastline feature either. All I am asking is people's views on having a defensive bonus which either comes automatically or through a building when naval units are defending native cities, i.e. their home town.
So your basically saying
Build a town wall for your coast?
No I am suggesting some kind of bonus or a building that affects that bonus.
What would be the point?
The point is as mentioned above, providing bonus value to naval units defending home towns.
We dont attack coasts we attack ports
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I dont know about you, but I attack cities, and yes I blockade port(not attack port or coasts) to avoid re-inforcement or divert resources...
unless your also suggesting we have an "Attack from the coastline" feature added
No I am not suggesting an attack from coastline feature either. All I am asking is people's views on having a defensive bonus which either comes automatically or through a building when naval units are defending native cities, i.e. their home town.
This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "naturehermit" (May 31st 2008, 3:39am)
Sunday, June 1st 2008, 3:59pm
What exactly would make up this defence.
It cant be a wall because then your ships would be trapped in.
If its gunners than you would need to sacrifice citizens.
An idea..
A coastal fortress perhaps, that automatically bombards passing enemy naval units.
Hence giving a coastal defense bonus and also reducing health of offensive naval units when they actually face their nemesis, the naval units of defending city.
It then balances the game for both naval and land armies.
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Monday, June 2nd 2008, 4:01am
Actually, 2 RAM on offense vs 3 RAM on defense, defender wins.
And 2 ballista on offense vs 2 ballista on defense, defender also wins.
You got the first one wrong. It's 3 on offense.
As for the second one, obviously defense wins since he beat all of the attacker's forces without getting pillaged, even if it took all his ships to do so.
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Monday, June 2nd 2008, 5:05am
Originally posted by naturehermit
An idea..
A coastal fortress perhaps, that automatically bombards passing enemy naval units.
Hence giving a coastal defense bonus and also reducing health of offensive naval units when they actually face their nemesis, the naval units of defending city.
It then balances the game for both naval and land armies.
like the coastal fortress idea, and it makes sense too, sea wall sounds kinda ridiculous. but again, as morebeer said, to add this would give the defenders an even more unfair advantage, as they already get a defense bonus in the first place
Monday, June 2nd 2008, 1:03pm
Originally posted by yazdyeys
Maybe this way Bureaucracy will finally have a use (I've got the ground, give me something to build there).
They are, these things take time.
As for the idea of the thread, I like it. To expand on it... Why shouldn't we be able to have something like the coast guard? They could go under ships and plant bombs on enemy ships. The problem with it all though is... the greeks and romans didn't have all this... bombs maybe, but not the tools need for swimming great depths for long periods of time
Monday, June 2nd 2008, 5:54pm
Originally posted by Marushia
Actually, 2 RAM on offense vs 3 RAM on defense, defender wins.
And 2 ballista on offense vs 2 ballista on defense, defender also wins.
You got the first one wrong. It's 3 on offense.
As for the second one, obviously defense wins since he beat all of the attacker's forces without getting pillaged, even if it took all his ships to do so.
So you think he's saying 3 ramships on offense beats 2 ramships on defense? That's so incredibly obviously true that I hadn't even considered the possibility. And it really demonstrates nothing. Hey look everybody! 3 swordsmen on offense beat 2 swordsmen on defense, even with a level 1 wall! I guess that means that attackers have too much advantage and defense needs a higher wall upgrade!
Excuse my counter-example. I just find the whole arguments being used here to be a little pointless, and so I'm using some exaggeration to show my own point.
Sure, defenders on a land attack get a wall bonus so that defense has a slight advantage. Defenders on a sea attack do not need this. It's already much easier to defend a sea invasion than a land invasion due to the slow movement of warships. Adding even more advantage for a sea defender would unbalance the game.
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Monday, June 2nd 2008, 6:48pm
Originally posted by Smite777
Originally posted by yazdyeys
Maybe this way Bureaucracy will finally have a use (I've got the ground, give me something to build there).
They are, these things take time.
As for the idea of the thread, I like it. To expand on it... Why shouldn't we be able to have something like the coast guard? They could go under ships and plant bombs on enemy ships. The problem with it all though is... the greeks and romans didn't have all this... bombs maybe, but not the tools need for swimming great depths for long periods of time
ah smite good idea but your forgetting
this game aint built on realism its built on strategy
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Tuesday, June 3rd 2008, 3:34am
Originally posted by Smite777
Originally posted by christhekiller
ah smite good idea but your forgetting
this game aint built on realism its built on strategy
I know... even if the game was based on realism; it still isn't right for the time period
yes but are things such as the gyrocopter or the robot or EVEN the gun man right for the time period?
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